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What people? The people you hang out with? I hang out with people who are FAR to the left of me and I'm pretty ****ing tired of seeing FB statuses referring to Obama as "Bush 2.0".
In other words, the Left wing of the Dems(the same group of people who were generally Anti-Bush) are showing similar signs of discontent against Obama. What news do you watch/read?
I don't know, man. I only know what people in the hood and my college friends say.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
So, people who aren't leftists is what you are saying.
Good job completely dodging the article though. Obviously those CongressCritters in the article were giving Bush fellatio during the run up to OIF. Total double standard that you're talking about.
Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.
So, people who aren't leftists is what you are saying.
No. Obama worshippers, though... A few of them have their 'religion' section of facebook listed as "Obama"
He is the Lord and Savior and can do no wrong.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Gaddafi might not leave(he seems border-line insane) but I think a lot of his followers will. I doubt all those mercenaries he hired expected to fight the US. I think the rebels will get their act together - remember only three days ago they were being beaten down, it might take some time for them to reorganize. Now if they haven't done anything in a month I might agree with you.
we will see about those around him, i'm not convinced. likewise i don't see any evidence that the rebels will emerge as an effective offensive force after a little respite, this looks like wishful thinking.
"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
So, in other words, not PEOPLE WHO MAKE POLICY as elected officials.
No but voters.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Not all of them. Only the idiots in the Philly Ghetto.
Hey most of the people I know have degrees or are students. What do you think? I run the streets or something?
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
You said that people are not consistent in their criticisms with Bush and Obama. I linked you to several prominent elected officials who were, then you moved the goal posts to "idiots I went to school with". Just admit that you don't follow the news or talk to people outside of a very limited circle.
Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.
You said that people are not consistent in their criticisms with Bush and Obama. I linked you to several prominent elected officials who were, then you moved the goal posts to "idiots I went to school with". Just admit that you don't follow the news or talk to people outside of a very limited circle.
Well duh. Where have you been?
and no when I said it initially, I didn't mean politicians. I meant regular people aren't consistent in their criticisms... okay, Democrats only.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
The biggest story in the world today (apart from the catastrophe in Japan) is the war in Libya – a war that Canada has joined. No matter what you think of it, this is a big deal. You might think that Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s swift decision to wage war in yet another Muslim country might spark some vigorous political debate.
But where are the hard questions? The United Nations Security Council has endorsed the war. And the Liberals are downright thrilled. “We don’t see this as a partisan issue between Liberals and Conservatives,” Bob Rae, the Liberal foreign affairs critic, was quoted as saying Sunday. “The fact that Mr. Harper has finally agreed to participate doesn’t change the way we will be proceeding over the next week.”
So much for one of our biggest foreign policy decisions in years. Parliament is far more consumed with pseudo scandals and the outrage of handwritten “nots.”
Personally, I’d be thrilled to see Moammar Gadhafi blown to smithereens. But the debacle in Iraq cured me of my liberal-interventionist enthusiasms. So forgive me if I ask a few basic questions, ones you may not be hearing from our elected stewards of democracy.
What is our objective? Are we fighting to protect the Libyan population from the government, or are we fighting for regime change? U.S. military leaders deny they’re going after Colonel Gadhafi, that he might even stay in power. Mr. Harper says he’s got to go. Which is it?
What if air strikes don’t knock out the bad guys and they keep on killing people anyway?
What national interest do we have in this war, apart from helping to provide multilateral cover for our U.S. ally?
Sure, Col. Gadhafi is an odious thug. But this is not genocide (as in Rwanda), or even ethnic cleansing (as in the former Yugoslavia). It’s a brutal, ugly, local rebellion. There are lots of those. So why this one? Of course we all believe in Arab freedom. So what about Yemen, whose government mowed down unarmed demonstrators last week? What if President Bashar al-Assad keeps shooting civilians in Syria?
What happens when the Americans step down from their lead role, as Barack Obama pledges they will do very soon? Does NATO take the lead? The French? The Arab League? Oops, the Arab League has already opened fire on the Americans and the Europeans for being too aggressive, and most of the Arab nations are MIA. The Saudis? Nah, they’re too busy sending reinforcements to their buddies in Bahrain.
Who says Libya’s rebels are the good guys? What happens if (as seems likely) there are no good guys? As U.S. General David Petraeus asked about Afghanistan, “Tell me how this ends.”
The coalition of the hawks and the humanitarians on Libya is a rare sight to behold. Our leading politicians (armchair generals all) support the war. So do the major newspapers, as well as the “responsibility to protect” enthusiasts. But many professional soldiers – including retired major-general Lewis MacKenzie and former U.S. secretary of state Colin Powell – think it’s a terrible idea. U.S. Defence Secretary Bob Gates was another reluctant warrior.
For Mr. Obama, this war is, as he put it, “a chance to align our values with our interests.” For others, it's a risky decision to insert ourselves into a tribal society we don’t understand. Haven’t we done enough of that already?
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
on the side note... there goes the country with highest HDI in Africa... ah well, it was "the axis of evil", and Cameron has the obligation that if the evil dictator is killing the population, that he needs to get in on the action and kill more ...
outcome of this will be
a) more murder between the army and the rebels, as army will not be able to supress them as fast as they would have otherwise... so they will be even more brutal... with Gadaffi ruling with an iron fist afterwards, in order to supress the rebels "on time" next time around
b) we get in and do the Iraq pt II, except overall I think Libya has a lot less volatile ethnic and religious composition so hopefully (other than getting the westerners out) there should not be too much fighting for reasons other than power grabbing...
so since we are where we are at, right now, it would be the best to do option b... but highest HDI in Africa = goodbye... if they reach the level of development where they were 6 months ago in 20 years, I will be impressed
edit: but I guess the west (France, UK, US) got what they wanted... one "disobeying" ruler less... no matter what the consequences
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